Last week P. Krishna was in 'La Maison', a K centre in the centre of France. We saw video showings of J. Krishnamurti and listened and inquired with P.Krishna talking and answering questions. The meetings were bilingual Engish and French and quite intense.
Today watched Krishna's talk on wether K's teachings are practical on the kfa.org website.
After I googled 'a learning mind' and came upon this article in the Journal of the Krishnamurti SchoolsI only can recommand it.
http://www.journal.kfionline.org/article.asp?issue=2&article=6
vrijdag 29 april 2011
zaterdag 9 april 2011
donderdag 17 februari 2011
listening, observing, learning , be aware, attend
The art of listening
We rarely listen to anybody. We are so full of our own conclusions, our own experiences, our own problems, our own judgements, so we have no space in which to listen. We ought to have some space so that as tow friends, you and I, are talking over together their problems, amicably,… and so willing to listen to each other. And to listen is only possible when you put aside your particular opion, your particular knowledge…, when you’re free to listen, not interpreting, not judging, not evaluating, but actually the art of listening. To listen with great care, attention, with affection. And if we have such an art…, if you are capable of such listening, the communication becomes very, very simple. There will be no misunderstanding.
Communication implies to think together, to share the things that we are talking about together, to partake in the problem as two human beings living in a monstrous corrupt world, where everything is so ugly, brutal, violent and meaningless. And… it is very important that in the art of listening one learns immediately, one sees that fact instantly. And if one listens rightly, … accurately, … in the art of listening, there is freedom and in that freedom every word, every nuance of word has significance, and there is immediate omprehension, which is immediate insight, and therefore immediate freedom to observe.
Ojai, talk 4, 10 April 1977
The art of observing
To observe you must have clear eyes… unclouded eyes. You may have to wear glasses, but it makes your eyes see clearly. So to observe the outward things of life. How the world is divided, why it is divided… To observe all the facts, what is actually happening… So from observing the outer you come to observe the inner. But if you do not know how to observe the outer, you have no criterion to see if you are observing correctly in yourself. You understand how important it is to start observing the outer and from the outer moving to the inner. Not moving suddenly to the inner, because you may be misjudging.
… You cannot observe what is happening actually in the world if you are attached to one particular part of that world. If I am attached to this country saying, I am a […], I am proud of being a […], I am ancient,… if I am attached to that, I cannot possibly observe the division that is going on in the world… So to learn to observe without the personal distortion entering into… Can you do it? That requires tremendous alertness, watching. Then to observe what is going on inwardly, what is actually going on…
Can you watch, can you observe inwardly what actually is happening, actually at the moment of happening? Not after the event. That is, to observe my violence – violence in different forms… That is, to observe that which is actually taking place, which is at the moment of anger to observe it, not after; or train your mind so carefully that you watch before it happens; but actually as it is flowering, beginning to grow, the actual movement of it. Which demands a mind, a brain that is not caught in the past, which is not a slave to words, which is violence. That very word is a distorting factor, and therefore when you observe with that word, you have already distorted it. You understand how subtle it is? So to learn the art of it, therefore, you are watching the movement which is out of time. So the brain is capable of observing without distortion…
Madras, talk, 24 Dec 1977
The art of learning
…And then there is the art of learning, accumulating knowledge which means registering all the things that are necessary for skilful action, and non-registering any psychological responses, any psychological reactions… free not to register… This is very arduous, to be so totally aware so that you only register what is necessary and absolutely not register anything which is not necessary. Someone insults you, flatters you, calls you this or that – no registration. This gives tremendous clarity, not only with regard to skill, which is the outcome of knowledge… To register and not to register so there is no building up of the ‘me’, the structure of the self… Giving importance to one’s name, experience, opinions, conclusions, all that is the gathering up of the energy of the self – which is always distorting.
Saanen, talk 3, 14 July 1977
To be aware
… to be aware how you talk, how you walk, how you eat, what you eat; to be aware how you speak to another, how you treat another; to be aware as you are sitting there… of your neighbour… the way he looks, without criticism… That gives great sensitivity, empathy, so that your body is subtle, sensitive, aware of everything that is going on around you. To be aware without any choice…See where you are… looking all around you without a single choice, just to look…
Calcutta, talk 4, 28 nov 1982
To attend
Have you ever attended to anything? Give your whole energy, listen totally to another, completely attend… in that attention there is no centre as the ‘me’… Giving all your energy, your listening, vibrantly alive to attend… Then… the brain becomes quiet, naturally. There is no chattering, there is no control…
Calcutta, talk 4, 28 nov 1982
We rarely listen to anybody. We are so full of our own conclusions, our own experiences, our own problems, our own judgements, so we have no space in which to listen. We ought to have some space so that as tow friends, you and I, are talking over together their problems, amicably,… and so willing to listen to each other. And to listen is only possible when you put aside your particular opion, your particular knowledge…, when you’re free to listen, not interpreting, not judging, not evaluating, but actually the art of listening. To listen with great care, attention, with affection. And if we have such an art…, if you are capable of such listening, the communication becomes very, very simple. There will be no misunderstanding.
Communication implies to think together, to share the things that we are talking about together, to partake in the problem as two human beings living in a monstrous corrupt world, where everything is so ugly, brutal, violent and meaningless. And… it is very important that in the art of listening one learns immediately, one sees that fact instantly. And if one listens rightly, … accurately, … in the art of listening, there is freedom and in that freedom every word, every nuance of word has significance, and there is immediate omprehension, which is immediate insight, and therefore immediate freedom to observe.
Ojai, talk 4, 10 April 1977
The art of observing
To observe you must have clear eyes… unclouded eyes. You may have to wear glasses, but it makes your eyes see clearly. So to observe the outward things of life. How the world is divided, why it is divided… To observe all the facts, what is actually happening… So from observing the outer you come to observe the inner. But if you do not know how to observe the outer, you have no criterion to see if you are observing correctly in yourself. You understand how important it is to start observing the outer and from the outer moving to the inner. Not moving suddenly to the inner, because you may be misjudging.
… You cannot observe what is happening actually in the world if you are attached to one particular part of that world. If I am attached to this country saying, I am a […], I am proud of being a […], I am ancient,… if I am attached to that, I cannot possibly observe the division that is going on in the world… So to learn to observe without the personal distortion entering into… Can you do it? That requires tremendous alertness, watching. Then to observe what is going on inwardly, what is actually going on…
Can you watch, can you observe inwardly what actually is happening, actually at the moment of happening? Not after the event. That is, to observe my violence – violence in different forms… That is, to observe that which is actually taking place, which is at the moment of anger to observe it, not after; or train your mind so carefully that you watch before it happens; but actually as it is flowering, beginning to grow, the actual movement of it. Which demands a mind, a brain that is not caught in the past, which is not a slave to words, which is violence. That very word is a distorting factor, and therefore when you observe with that word, you have already distorted it. You understand how subtle it is? So to learn the art of it, therefore, you are watching the movement which is out of time. So the brain is capable of observing without distortion…
Madras, talk, 24 Dec 1977
The art of learning
…And then there is the art of learning, accumulating knowledge which means registering all the things that are necessary for skilful action, and non-registering any psychological responses, any psychological reactions… free not to register… This is very arduous, to be so totally aware so that you only register what is necessary and absolutely not register anything which is not necessary. Someone insults you, flatters you, calls you this or that – no registration. This gives tremendous clarity, not only with regard to skill, which is the outcome of knowledge… To register and not to register so there is no building up of the ‘me’, the structure of the self… Giving importance to one’s name, experience, opinions, conclusions, all that is the gathering up of the energy of the self – which is always distorting.
Saanen, talk 3, 14 July 1977
To be aware
… to be aware how you talk, how you walk, how you eat, what you eat; to be aware how you speak to another, how you treat another; to be aware as you are sitting there… of your neighbour… the way he looks, without criticism… That gives great sensitivity, empathy, so that your body is subtle, sensitive, aware of everything that is going on around you. To be aware without any choice…See where you are… looking all around you without a single choice, just to look…
Calcutta, talk 4, 28 nov 1982
To attend
Have you ever attended to anything? Give your whole energy, listen totally to another, completely attend… in that attention there is no centre as the ‘me’… Giving all your energy, your listening, vibrantly alive to attend… Then… the brain becomes quiet, naturally. There is no chattering, there is no control…
Calcutta, talk 4, 28 nov 1982
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